[sflogicninja]

So I've had my ear to the ground, and 2 independent sources have told me the following:

1. Logic is going bye bye

2. There's going to be a program that will ONLY be available as part of a creative suite.

3. This program might only be used for sound for picture purposes.

I'm pretty solid on the information on sources 1 and 2. point three seems more speculative.

I'm a pro trainer, and have been intimately involved with the evolution of Logic. I would be very sad to see this program die. I've been thinking of activism, but maybe I should wait until it is official.

Thoughts?

[luddite]

So I've had my ear to the ground, and 2 independent sources have told me the following:

1. Logic is going bye bye

2. There's going to be a program that will ONLY be available as part of a creative suite.

3. This program might only be used for sound for picture purposes.

I'm pretty solid on the information on sources 1 and 2. point three seems more speculative.

I'm a pro trainer, and have been intimately involved with the evolution of Logic. I would be very sad to see this program die. I've been thinking of activism, but maybe I should wait until it is official.

Thoughts?

my sources tell me logic 8 will come bundled on the iphone...and i've been intimately involed with the phone for years.
jd

[sflogicninja]

funny

[Gordon Murrison]

I quite like Final Cut Studio where you've got a main 'hub' application (Final Cut Pro) from which you can then send off your data to Motion, Soundtrack or Color for more specialist treatments in software that have interfaces tailored for a dedicated job. A music suite could be similar - you could have an Composer / Arranger (like Logic), a specialist wave editor (like Soundtrack Pro), an album mastering tool (like Waveburner), a studio manager (like SoundDiver). As long as the integration was spot on it could work very well.

The programs in the final cut suite used to be available as seperate applications but the bundle is SO much better value. If this rumour is true it could be a very positive move by Apple.

With final cut they seem to be ensuring you can use an Apple-only solution for the entire post-video production by adding more and more high end stuff (like the recent addition of Color which the bought from someone last year). What else could they bundle in a music suite? Wonder if they've bought up any other small specailist music companies recently?

[Homebelly]

way back when apple first purchased logic there was a speculative rumor
that Logic would evolve in to more of a post sound production tool and that
all of the pro audio/video app's would come bundled together.
and that might still be the case,,
but,,
i really can't see that apple would drop logic as a straight music making application.
i would imagine part of what they have been dong for the last few years has been integrating it's
work flow and compatibility with the other pro apps,, apple have made very little secret of the fact
that they want to make a dent into AVIDS post market,, Logic/FCP and so on
are that alternative,
I wouldn't sweat this stuff until it happens,,
Even though apple have done some odd things in the past
i wouldn't worry that dropping there audio pro market would be one of them.
And besides,,
even if Logic did disappear,,
thats not to say it wouldn't be replaced by some thing else from apple,,

[Gordon Murrison]

I'm pretty sure Logic will not reach 8.0. I think it will be replaced by something new. New name, new codebase (based on Cocoa not Carbon), 64 bit support, new UI (maybe we'll even get some new environment graphics to replace the ones that been there since 1994 :-)

Most importantly I hope they keep the spirit of Logic that encourages experimentaion and creativity. Soundtrack Pro is great for wave ediing but I don't find it's like a 'playground' like Logic is.

[Lagerfeldt]

My sources tell me something different.



Unless something radical has happened at Apple during my last meeting, Logic 8 (or whatever the name will be) is still going forward.

This post has been edited by Lagerfeldt: 28 June 2007 - 02:45 PM

[dartli]

So I've had my ear to the ground, and 2 independent sources have told me the following:

1. Logic is going bye bye

2. There's going to be a program that will ONLY be available as part of a creative suite.

3. This program might only be used for sound for picture purposes.

I'm pretty solid on the information on sources 1 and 2. point three seems more speculative.

I'm a pro trainer, and have been intimately involved with the evolution of Logic. I would be very sad to see this program die. I've been thinking of activism, but maybe I should wait until it is official.

Thoughts?

You SPY from Protools I don't believe you

[clif marsiglio]

Almost every application in the 'Creative Suite' can be bought separately. Though I think if you are hearing Creative Suite, you are off the mark...Adobe product, not Apple...Final Cut STUDIO.

And the big name with that is *FINAL CUT* -- made for VIDEO. Everything in that app is purely video in nature. Soundtrack Pro? Its built around a lot of the same engine as Logic (as was GarageBand) but designed for a specific purpose (to edit audio for VIDEO).

ST Pro might show up as a lot more Logic like in the future, but that is going to be the app for Studio.

Beyond that, I know a HUGE rewrite was underway. I also thought it might be ready to show off at NAMM too (it was pretty usable, but that doesn't mean it's what Apple wants to release). Also note, iLife hasn't been updated. Lots of unfounded rumors about it going away too, or applications built into the OS, or other crazy crap.

Lets just say, I have SEVERAL dependable sources telling me Logic is going away...I also know people working in Apple who say its not, and I've seen pieces. Unfortunately, people tend to pick up on successes instead of failures...if someone you like predicts something right even 30% of the time, you are going to think he is eff'n Nostradomus, even if he is wrong 70% of the time.

Beyond that, dependable sources have a habit of screwing with people. For example, I put out a wild rumor a few years ago that I thought *EVERYONE* knew was false. I got contacted by a VP at Sony because of it asking who I was talking to and what I knew. Turns out I wasn't even close, but the guy was convinced that someone was after his job Another time, I pulled a number out of my ass that had nothing to do with anything...and I specifically remember telling everyone that I was just making things up. WSJ had that exact number in their article down the the weird $56.729 Million (or whatever that was) And Transfer Of Executive Homeownership To Ease Transition...I got a stern talking to by a good friend that was 3 steps from the top of the company (who had gotten yelled at himself because the lawyers did a search of officer's emails with my address and his was the only one that had any hit).

People who say they know something are generally lying. People who say they know absolutely nothing are the ones to be afraid of. Me...I'm not saying.

[John Greythorne]

According to Non-Eric, who is the main guy (or one of the main guys) behind DigitalMusician.net, the new Logic was shown to some developers who cannot reveal anything on pain of death. You can hear this on the latest SonicState podcast.

Apparently, it's due for release in August.

[Gordon Murrison]

[quote name='clif marsiglio' date='Jun 28 2007, 08:52 PM' post='217022']
Almost every application in the 'Creative Suite' can be bought separately. Though I think if you are hearing Creative Suite, you are off the mark...Adobe product, not Apple...Final Cut STUDIO.


"a create suite", was mentioned in the orignal post not 'Creative Suite' as in the Adobe product.

This post has been edited by Gordon Murrison: 28 June 2007 - 03:50 PM

[John Greythorne]

Apple don't have a suite into which Logic will fit; it's one of the "orphans" along with Shake and Aperture. If they're planning to put Logic into Final Cut Studio, there are going to be a lot of musicians who don't use any part of the suite other than Logic. Also, Final Cut Studio doesn't seem like the right place for a music composition piece of software.

It certainly doesn't fit into iLife, iWork or .Mac, so my money's still on a Pro Application called Logic Pro 8.

This post has been edited by John Greythorne: 28 June 2007 - 04:27 PM

[Gordon Murrison]

Don't think they would look to bundle Logic into an existing suite - but they could create a new one. Logic is almost becoming a suite anyway - Waveburner is in the box (plus all those plugins and instruments that used to be seperate).

[sflogicninja]

The thing that was disturbing to me was just how far apart these contacts were in relation to each other.

One person is a fairly close mega-awesome engineer. I can see him whipping up some juicy stuff just to piss me off, since I am a Logic addict in the VERY extreme

The other fella, though... It was hearing from this guy, who doesn't even know me... point for point, his story matched up.

Thanks for all of the input that gives me contrary points of view. My school relies heavily on ouor Logic classes, and I would be very sad to have my main tool put to rest.

[clif marsiglio]

My big point was that anyone can start a rumor. And before you know it, intelligent people are quoting it EVERYWHERE.

All it takes is someone to believe it and pass it along. Psychologically, if we appeal to authority, it is more credible...by someone quoting that someone else had said something and he had heard it somewhere else, it then becomes a truth in peoples mind. Its amazing how quickly these things spread across the net...

All the while, its just an eff'n rumor with no basis...

Your friends are wrong.

[sflogicninja]

Clif -

my school is about to spend 10,000 dollars for new Logic Keys, and we spend thousands of dollars having our instructors certified so that we may further our program.

Apple is being unresponsive to our plight so far. I'm hoping that the latest email and phone call we sent through will get our education director an NDA so that we may make decisions as to how we're going to proceed with our schedule of classes.

I have been reduced to trolling sites for rumors. This is how ridiculous this situation has become.

I do not want to start yet another rumor. I am trying to piece this together though, so that I might have a HINT of how we might proceed.

I hate having to make big financial decisions completely blind. This may seem desperate, but actually... it is.

I'm tempted to create a petition just to find out if ANYTHING is coming. It's not an eff'ing iPhone.

[sflogicninja]

According to Non-Eric, who is the main guy (or one of the main guys) behind DigitalMusician.net, the new Logic was shown to some developers who cannot reveal anything on pain of death. You can hear this on the latest SonicState podcast.

Apparently, it's due for release in August.

Do you know where in the podcast they mention this?

I've been through it and haven't heard a thing.

If not, 's cool.

[clif marsiglio]

I'm not saying YOU are starting a rumor...I'm saying you are spreading one.

Ad I can guarantee you that no signing of ANY NDA is going to get your information. Apple doesn't work that way. It never has, and with Jobs' ability to get information on the front page of national newspapers, you really aren't going to get this information unless Apple contacts you. $10000 is two high end machines. Its not something Apple is going to tell you anything for. I spent that much on two dell servers last year -- and I don't even like Dell.

As for a petition, man...I got to say...everytime I see a petition, I think pathetic. Again, Apple doesn't work this way...they aren't going to say something just because someone gets some signatures.

If you want a company that broadcasts what its going to do 5 years down the line, and deliver less than half of that, there are lots of other companies. Apple doesn't work this way...note I keep using this phrase. Its not because I want them to be this way, its because thats how it is. Its like starting a petition to change the color of the sky to green. You can do what you want, but its not going to do anything but cause you to bang your head against the wall...

[Kharmaguru]

The funny thing is that the couple people on this board that would really know (Apple employees), would be under the NDA and wouldn't post. A rumour is the best you will get.

[sflogicninja]

Hey clif, i get your point.

we're also buying a building, expanding the program, yadda yadda. It's just crazy around here. the actual overall cost over the next couple months could be more like millions. Waaaaaa. Sorry if I sound pathetic, but it's really hard to plan this business properly without this info.

I think my trolling for rumors has now officially entered the 'demoralizing' arena.

I'll just sit and wait. Stare at the wall. Maybe Apple will toss me an eff'n scrap.

Maybe not.

I can dream, can't I?